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December 21, 2005

The vultures are circling

[ UPDATE: Kurdo says people figured out how to remove the ink and there was lots of fraud. Something that systemic, you could really make a case for a do-over.

UPDATE: The horsetrading and coalition-building begins. ]

Many of us who have been rooting for the Iraqis to form a stable moderate government are very anxious. Of course, Iraqis who have been working hard and risking much are even more anxious.

But I think some people are throwing in the towel a bit precipitously and others are just a bit too smug. You would almost think that they're hoping that Iraq will become an Islamic theocracy. Because, you know, embarrassing George Bush is much more important - and emotionally satisfying! - than hoping things turn out well for the Iraqis. (The saddest thing is that the people described here will take advantage of the opportunity to recover their ironic sneer.)

I just don't think the Fat Lady has stepped up to the mike yet.

Situation as of Tuesday.
More.

Here's some dish on the behind the scenes machinations. I have to wonder, if this situation does have Iran's fingerprints all over it, and they are huge honking glowing fingerprints, does that really work to Iran's advantage? I would think if Iran were smart, Iran would have worn gloves.

Nibras Kazimi:

Iraq did not hold an election last week - it held a census. Shias voted for a "Shia" list, Sunnis for a "Sunni" list, and Kurds turned out for a "Kurdish" list. The margin for non-sectarian lists - all encompassing, issues-specific "Iraqi" lists - has thinned out since the elections last January. Almost three years after liberation and probably midway through a harrowing insurgency, Iraq's various communities are closing ranks unto themselves in anticipation of even more difficult times ahead, thus, the very act of voting has became an allegory for inter-communal civil strife.

The Shia community did not vote as a confident majority of the population: they followed the voting pattern of a ghettoized minority still scarred from many years of dictatorship. Rather than think for themselves and exercise their individual right to choose, they have abdicated this responsibility in favor of their behemoth communal shepherd: Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani.

This blog has some analysis, unfortunately his permalinks don't work so you have to scroll through the posts.

Two of his commenters:

The Sunni, Kurd, and unaligned parties will still likely have enough to turn the UIA into an opposition party if they hang together. If they don't, I doubt the UIA wants to see either the Kurdish or Sunni parties outside looking in. They can't rule if there is civil war.

Even if the numbers are real, lets see what government is formed. The government wants militias disarmed, so lets see if the UIA disarms their own. People alway get antsy about what a democratically elected government will do, and then (usually) they act wisely. It's all about the wisdom of large groups.

Too sanguine by far.

And this doesn't sound good:

ALthough I am a 555er, I am very happy to see people like Vahal putting their points across as that is what a democracy is all about. However, after having recently come back from a trip in Iraq all I can say that you are taking it too far with Iranian involvement.
It is true that there is involvement from Iran but it is benefitting us massively. Currently there are literally hundreds of Iranian backed charities across the country helping run down areas such as Sadr city. Politically as well, I agree they are involved but it does not compare with Arab involvement- the main funders of terrorism.

That's how Hamas infiltrates. It becomes the go-to organization for social services. And Iran is a huge funder of terrorism.

Over at ITM, this commenter says:

This fear of Iranistization based on poll results is unfounded. Do any of you understand how the Mullahs gained and maintained control of Iran? If Iraq becomes Iranistized it will be through the formation of the courts. The Kurds may or may not align with 555 on many issues but they will not toe the line if it comes to setting up an Iranian judicial system. In democracy it is less important who gains power than who can remove them. As long as the people of Iraq retain the power to vote any and all political paries out of power then the politicians will be forced to appease the people. The problem with Iran is that the courts prevent the people from voting hardliners out of office except to replace them with another hardliner.

Good point:
this is really sistani's loss not ours.
Millions of Iraqis have now interactied with kafir and lived to tell of it. The iraqi army will have spent enough time with the kafir army of america to be considered brothers in arms, so Sistani's position is a tough one to sustain.

Judith | 12/21/05 at 08:35 AM | Categories: - Nation-building

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Comments

great post Judith. We've all had enough Florida-like election hysteria to last a lifetime.

susan | December 21, 2005 11:25 AM

a bit too smug

And that's exactly the problem.

Henley seems to be confusing the right to be angry with the effectiveness of being angry. And he's been perpetually angry, and smug, and condescending, and negative, and know-it-allish, for four solid years.

That's why I don't read him. No one ever likes a know-it-all.

And who does that fuck over? Henley--and, if he's right, the entire country, as well as the very people he's trying to reach. I absolutely love this bit:

In 2002 I was practically begging people, as sweetly as possible

"As sweetly as possible?" Was I reading some OTHER dude named Jim Henley back then? Because if so, it's a pretty wild coincidence that both of them made my fist itch.

Now Henley would say that's because I'm a hopeless jingoist, whereas I would say that's because you don't tell people "you're wrong" the same way you tell puppies they're wrong, by rubbing their noses in poop. Oddly enough, people seem to really resent this.

I am tired of every libertarian, rightfully concerned about freedom, telling me that they have to be pissy about the subject because otherwise, I and the rest of the sheeple won't listen--because we're just too stupid. It can't be because we don't like being nyah-nyahed to death, oh, no. It's just got to be our terminal case of stupid.

The Democrats have run two presidential campaigns now based on the rough premise that Red State = Stupid. They have lost both these campaigns, yet show no signs whatsoever of changing this strategy, anymore than the libertarians show signs of changing their "brainwashed jingoists who don't care about freedom" strategy.

And Henley thinks he's got something to teach ME? Honeycakes, it ain't my side boarding the short bus here. The Republicans may have the wrong message, but at least they know how to say it without pissing off their supporters.

Henley's best best?--Pray the Republicans start acting exactly like him.

ilyka | December 22, 2005 03:18 AM

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