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July 12, 2006
Reports From the Arab Side: The Way Things Look the Other Way Around
Here are the accounts of what is going on from the posts of a few Arab bloggers, all of whom are opposed to Hezbollah's incursions. These accounts are all very poignant, as the writers are conscious of the idiocy of Hezbollah's long planned attack and filled with details we would not otherwise come across so easily. It is quite sad what Hezbollah has instigated, at this moment, with Lebanon well along in its economic and political recovery.
Lebanese Political Journal: Hezbollah Surprised By Their Own Attack
The Lebanese Bloggers: Breaking News Flowing
Rantings of a SandMonkey (writing in Egypt): It has begun.
The comments in all three of these accounts are interesting, where you can see individuals from different political factions within Lebanon and Egypt, respectively, and perhaps other countries as well, arguing with each other. And some Israelis commenting as well.
From Judith: Asher eavesdropped on another Lebanese blogger's comment thread in the previous post, and Big Pharoah posted some comments from yet another Lebanese forum.
Iraq the Model notes Iraqis expressing a similar dissatisfaction with Hamas in an Arabic forum on the BBC site:
About three dozens of comments were made by Iraqis both inside Iraq and in exile and all these comments were supportive of Israel or at least against Hamas as far as the topic is concerned except for only three comments; that's a 10:1 ratio while as you probably have guesses, the opposite ratio is true about the comments by the rest of Arabs.Check out the comments themselves.. . . . we in Iraq are evolving politically faster than we are doing when it comes to economy, security, etc. that we are even ahead of countries like Egypt or Kuwait in holding real elections and having a permanent constitution and fair representation of all the segments of the people. . . . Iraqis are beginning to distinguish between terrorism and rightful acts of resistance not only in Iraq but also on a global level and are showing decreasing tolerance for extremism. . . .
Two years ago ITM translated comments from another BBC Arabic forum, which illustrated this bifurcation. The topic was Abu Ghraib. Most of the other Arabs in the forum saw Abu Ghraib as a convenient example of American depravity, but many Iraqis disagreed and said it was an abberation, and were impressed by how decisively the Americans were taking responsibility for fixing it, and pointed out that other Arabs didn't speak up when Saddam was really torturing Iraqis.
This also brings to mind an article I can't locate now, about all the phone and internet traffic (of which thse BBC forums are examples) between Iraqis and Arabs in other countries, where the reconstruction and the democracy project are discussed along with other news and personal chat. We think of Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya as the interlocutors of the Arab world, but they may be much less influential than the informal discussion in forums and blogs and talk among friends and relatives.
Meanwhile on the home front, M Simon notices a shift in sympathies:
I watched NBC news for the first time in a long time to catch the latest on Israel. The commentary at the end of segment went something like this: "Israel left Lebanon 6 years ago. They left Gaza a year ago. Why can't they leave Israel alone?" Which goes back to my previous points about Sharon. He has created a situation where even a weak leader can take strong measures.I do not think [Olmert] would get serious complaints if he toppled Boy Assad.
More evidence that Bush's grand plan for democratizing the Middle East was the right one, and is working. As Asher says:
It is no longer the Israelis who are isolated, nor the freedom activists in the Arab world. It's the fascist regimes that are increasingly isolated and panicking.
UPDATE: The times they must indeed be a-changing, because a news story about Arab bloggers and their dissatisfaction with the status quo appeared last week in the San Francisco Chronicle, not exactly a bastion of neo-con democracy promotion.
Augean Stables on the contrast I described above, which more and more Arabs can distinguish as the practice of representative government and the understanding of individual rights begins to take hold:
The Israelis care far more for the lives of their own citizens (including their Arab citizens) than the Arab regimes care for the lives of their own people (subjects). It is characteristic of elites in prime-divider societies to treat their commoners as so many beasts of burden (in the Middle Ages the comparison was between peasants and oxen), and, in time of war, cannon fodder. Look at the ways in which Iran and Iraq threw their own people into the killing fields for 8 years. This differential derives, among other things, from the high value that civil societies place on the voluntary adherence of its citizens to the social contract (from Sinai to the social contract theorists of modern democracies) and the way they empower individuals. Prime divider societies rule by fear and impostion, and not only do not value individuals, they fear them.. . . . When Israel and Egypt signed the Camp David accords in 1979, I remember seeing a small news item about how the Syrian minister of Education declared darkly that it was only a matter of years now before the Israelis dominate the entire region culturally. At the time I smiled at the paranoia. Having better understood the Arab predicament and the cultural demands of economic development in the subsequent decades, I now realize that what he feared — and what these reformers no longer fear (or perhaps don’t fully understand) — is that in turning away from the prime divider politics of Arab political culture, they are indeed adopting the civic commitments that the Israelis have fostered from the earliest years of Zionism. In that sense, they are coming under Western, if not Zionist influence.
A REQUEST: This post has been linked by Pajamas Media and we would like to showcase more discussion while we are getting the traffic. If you know of other websites where Arabs are discussing what's going on now in the Middle East, please leave the URL in a comment. It can be from any political point of view!
Alcibiades | 07/12/06 at 11:24 PM | Categories: - The War of Dire Straits
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Comments
When it comes to Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists I am backing Israel to Wipe them all out totally and completely and out of existance.
Phil | July 13, 2006 03:43 AM
I'd love to see the mainstream media pick up on this more. Maybe it would gain some momentum on the "street" as a result. Y'know, if you keep saying this is the way it is, it will eventually become this way.
It would be nice to see more clear thinking coming out of the Arab world.
psychotoddler | July 13, 2006 09:52 AM
psychotoddler,
One thing that is a real worry at this point, is that the goodwill - or perhaps we should say neutrality - that has been built slowly in the Middle East among the non-ideologues is going to quickly erode. And support for Hezbollah is going to arise in its wake.
I agree with several of these bloggers that Iran and Syria are the real targets; and bombing Lebanon is going to be, ultimately, counter-productive.
Sharon would have seen that. And would have had the guts to act on it. I fear that Olmert's government doesn't.
Alcibiades | July 13, 2006 10:28 AM
I've spotted a couple other Lebanese sites that are commenting:
Lebanon Heart Blogs - curses Hizbullah for what it has done.
Open Lebanon - an aggregator
Beirut Springs - hates what Hizbullah has done but then supports Hizbullah saying that a reckoning with Hizbullah will come when this conflict is over.
lawhawk | July 13, 2006 12:07 PM
Syrian Blogger Amarji says
For, if the beating heart of the Alliance is Iran, its cerebral cortex is Syria. As such, if one wants to weaken the alliance, not to mention break it, the main focus of its activities should be the Assads regime.
But if this could initially serve the interests of the Assads by helping them to rally the people around them, and not only in Syria but across the region as well, on the long run, this confrontational policy is bound to backfire, especially if Israel insisted on targeting Syria and not Lebanon in retaliation for whatever provocation that takes place against it. Why? Because such confrontation will only expose the inability of the Assads to defend the country and the sorry state of Syria’s army, despite the massive expenditures in this regard.
The Israelis, who up until recently have been under the illusion that it is possible to weaken and isolate the Assads regime indefinitely and at no cost to themselves, are finally beginning to see, I think, that the Assads are born inherently starved for attention and cannot accept being isolated and asked to behave and be quiet. This could only mean that things are bound to heat up between the two countries.Sounds like a plea for Israel to attack Assad.
Rancher | July 13, 2006 06:40 PM
Thanks lawhawk for the additional sites.
I also read From Beirut to the Beltway, though he is pretty negative on Israel. But there is still some range of views in his comments.
My big fear in all of this is that people who start by thinking that Hezbollah brought this on them, will end up, after the attacks, simply hating and blaming Israel.
It's what happened in the Lebanese war.
That memory was burned into Sharon in a way it isn't with Olmert.
Alcibiades | July 13, 2006 07:41 PM


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