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September 15, 2006
Professor Juan Cole explains it all to you
Juan Cole is a good guide to evaluating the Pope's remarks about Islam.
Because the truth is reliably the opposite of whatever Juan Cole says it is.
Judith | 09/15/06 at 06:48 PM | Categories: - Wackademia
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Old Maids are angry at the world.
Why?
Is it because, subconsciously they feel inadequate?
Rob | September 16, 2006 12:37 PM
The entire text of the Pope's remarks are here early in comments. I think it interesting that we touched on the Pope's themes and a time and place in history he references recently in Keshertalk.
In part:
Christianity is a Jewish sect with non-Jewish (Greek philosophy and Levantine paganism) overlays. Protestantism, rejected the rituals, images and cults of the Catholic (and the Orthodox church), and shed the overlay of Levantine paganism (e.g., Virgin Mary).
Their justification of that rejection was the slogan "Sola Scriptum" (Scripture Only). This left them with a more Jewish source, the Bible. But by rejecting the magisterium (talmud) of the Catholic Church, they lost all of the instructions on how to read the Bible.
Without that teaching, it is easy to ignore the elements of Greek philosophy in the New Testament, and to be overwhelmed by the Jewish material in both testaments. This interpretive freedom can lead to what the Catholics call the Judaizing heresy.
Robert | September 3, 2006
Robert: If not Catholic, Mary may have been Gnostic, an alternative explanation for her equanimity at the crucifixion of her son. Ignatius Loyola, Spanish founder of the Jesuit religious order (1540), gave the traditional view of the commonality of son and mother. In responding to a question said about the possibility of being Jewish he said, "I would consider it a special thing to be united to Christ, our Lord, and to Our Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, with ties of blood!"
michael | September 3, 2006 01:20 PM
Michael: I was referring to the existence of cults of Mary in the Middle Ages and the paganism thereof. When the Byzantines defended Constantinople against the Turks in 1453, they carried an Icon of Mary around the walls of the city. That is paganism, not Jewish, nor philosophical.
Robert Schwartz | September 3, 2006 02:47 PM
Robert: That is an evocative example. I think you have to see it in context. Face death or injury as a soldier with equanimity as Your Savior as seen in his mother. The second most common prayer in Catholic practice is the Hail Mary which concludes with 'Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.'
michael | September 16, 2006 08:46 PM
"Their justification of that rejection was the slogan "Sola Scriptum" (Scripture Only). This left them with a more Jewish source, the Bible. But by rejecting the magisterium (talmud) of the Catholic Church, they lost all of the instructions on how to read the Bible."
That's very interesting. I never thought of it that way.
However, one of the struggles of the Protestant movement was for ordinary people to even be allowed to read the Scriptures for themselves, and several people were burned at the stake or imprisoned for translating them into vernacular. Jews are supposed to read Tanakh AND Talmud. There is nothing in Judaism which restricts access to Tanakh from the average Jew, other than illiteracy, and even then you could go to services 3 times a week and hear the Torah read.
I guess if you have that freedom, you may well be committing "Judaizing heresy." Heh.
Judith | September 17, 2006 02:10 PM


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