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October 12, 2006

Report from the Walid Shoebat lecture, and a complaint

Previous posts on this topic: Email rescinding confirmed RSVPs to the event, email from someone coming by bus from Boston, another email responding to a criticism, photos and video of the scene outside of the people who couldn't get in, An official Columbia student blog with vague report of intentional sabotaging of the event, and more about the administrator who sent the email. Columbia U shooting itself in the foot over and over.

Here is another complaint emailed to everyone who had received an email disinviting them. (None of the emails were hidden, and 4-5 people sent emails to the whole "list.")

I also attempted to go to the lecture last night. I (and another physician colleague and friend) had a confirmed reservation, and left my office (I am an Assoc. Professor of Medicine at a NYC Medical School) early to get there and did not see the last minute email. Like everyone else who went to Roone Auditorium, I not only lost valuable work time, but got drenched in the process only to be turned away at the door. I think this act on the part of the Columbia administration is despicable and inexplicable. It is yet another black eye for an institution that claims to honor the highest ideals of our society - civil discourse on the most contentious issues of the day so as to enlighten and educate their students as well as the public at large. I have high school age sons and after this I would never consider sending them to Columbia despite the fact they are straight A students. This kind of attempts at Orwellian mind control is truly dangerous to the freedoms of our society. I agree the conduct of the Columbia administration should be publicized far and wide.

Here is an eyewitness account of the lecture, also emailed to everyone on the "list."

I was included on this list [the mass email sent to everyone who got disinvited] because someone involved in the organizing wanted to make sure I was registered and forgot that I have a CUID.

I got to Lerner about 6:45 with sandwiches, but the guards wouldn't let us bring food into Lerner auditorium, even though parties with food are often held there. I had to check my tote bag, my umbrella, and my PURSE. They made another friend check his jacket. But they had no metal detectors and did not frisk us. So we could have been packing.

I spotted Jewelnel Davis and expressed my indignation about not being able to bring my (registered) family. She spouted the party line about the priority of safety and not wanting people to storm the stage or get kicked in the head. I said they would have a lot of angry people out front (they did; I was hearing angry voices by 7:00), and she said yes, but they would not be inside. I asked why the late notice, and she said they had not anticipated so many (>125) non-CUID registrants. I asked why not. She said there were only 20 last week. I said, That was last week. This is ridiculously poor planning. She said this is what we have to do.

About 150 people were present in an auditorium that can hold ~400. Jewelnel began promptly at 8 by making a 5-minute speech about freedom of speech and civil academic discourse. She said the speakers would speak until about 9:15, and the Q&A would go until 10, after which everyone would be expected to vacate the premises. Then the speakers started.

The first terrorist, Zakaria Anani, is, I think, a Baptist minister, but he is the son and grandson of imams, and at age 13 he became a militia fighter in the Lebanon war. At age 14 he made his first kill and celebrated. By age 16, he had killed 233 people and felt that his life had become meaningless and would not last long. Then he encountered a Baptist minister and converted. His imam told him that he had 3 days to convert back or be killed. In the next 20 years, there were 18 attempts on his life. For the first 10 years or so he was living in the Christian sector of Beirut, married, had children. One of the attempts injured him and his youngest daughter. After that his church got spooked and sent him away; he and his family moved to Canada. Somewhere along the line someone asked him the reason for the Islamic teaching that Jews have the wrath of God on them. He tried to research it and realized that the Jews were being wronged. But, he said, the western world does not understand.

The second speaker, Hilmar von Campe, also is a devout Christian who now lives in Alabama. He was 7 years old in 1933 when the Nazis came to power. His father was a state official of some sort who was ousted by the Nazis and relocated to an area that is now one of the Czech states. He reminded the audience that the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi party) was far left. Josef Goebbels, the chief liar, said We are Communists. Hitler eliminated all other parties, trade unions, youth organizations, etc. All young people had to join the Hitler Youth. Newspapers, radio, and the film industry were controlled by the Nazis. In school, there were jokes about religion and God, and constant rhetoric about how bad the Jews are and how good the Germans are.

On 9/1/39, Hitler reported that the Poles had invaded Germany and that Germany had to defend itself. Although he and his circle hated the Nazis, all felt that they had to defend Germany first and deal with the Nazis second. He said that many people were unaware of the Holocaust, but that everyone was aware of the discrimination against and unhuman treatment of Jews and all kept silent, including the churches. He said he became a liar too. He also said that in 1972, the KGB and Andropov adopted a policy of turning the entire Islamic world against Israel and the United States. During Q&A, he cited as his source a book, Red Horizons, by a defecting Rumanian general.

Walid Shoebat pursued that theme. His father was Palestinian, his mother an American who naively went to the Middle East to visit her husband's family and was trapped there with her children for 35 years. He said that Muslims fought on the Nazi side in World War II and murdered the Jews of Bosnia. He said that he was educated to believe that Jesus was a Palestinian revolutionary who came to liberate Palestinians from Zionist oppressors, that Jews spread Mad Cow disease, cause tsunamis, etc. He translated Jihad as Mein Kampf. He is a convert to Christianity. He also said during the question period that when Muslims are at least 20% of a population, they are obliged to seize state power. He also said that Muslims do not believe in the separation of church and state.

The question period was better than I expected. The questioners were somewhat critical but they did not rant. The answers were generally to the point, despite some language problems. The speakers were fairly critical of Jews and others who think appeasement can bring peace. Walid pointed out that the word hudna, usually translated as truce or ceasefire, actually means strategically taking time off from fighting to regroup and obtain concessions. Muslims feel no obligation to tell the truth to non-Muslims. When criticized for hate speech, they responded that they were criticizing Islam, not Muslims individually.

Walid had said at one point that Muslims should have a right to convert to Christianity, that Jews should have a right not to convert to Christianity, etc. A couple of questioners interpreted him as saying that Muslims should convert to Christianity. He straightened that out. Some questioners asserted that moderate Muslims do not believe all those bad things. Anani said, if you think your imam is moderate, ask him what would happen if his son converted to Christianity.

Walid's overall presentation, and that of the group, was, I thought, much stronger than his presentation at Columbia a couple of years ago. I am sorry you had to miss it.

Judith | 10/12/06 at 12:12 PM | Categories: - Wackademia

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Comments

I attended the event and was abruptly and arrogantly told by a Ms Weisberg that I wasn't on the list and wasn't getting in. I showed her email confirmation that I received the night before and was told to show at the door. And note I cautiously confirmed everything - [date, time, location, arrival time, that I was on the list] 4 times the night before.

Then she states this stunner -

"Oh you should have checked your email this afternoon we sent an email out stating the situation had changed and that only 20 people outside Columbia were getting in"

Can you imagine the nerve and 0 accountability! I took time out of my night, left a bus meeting early dowtown, and trudged all the way up to Columbia to attend, after confirming 4 time THE NIGHT BEFORE, and she acts as if I should have checked my email that afternoon.

Further, NO EMAIL UNCONFIRMING WAS EVER SENT ANYWAY.

It is an absolute joke. Their credibility is 0. And they probably could not have a care about all the people that took time out to come up there and attend the event on their word.

Larry

Larry K | October 12, 2006 04:17 PM

Thank you for reporting so extensively on this topic, it has really helped shape the conversation about this issue between my cousin (who is a CU alum) and I. My cousin is convinced that CU doesn't have a free speech problem, but from what you have described here, and from what I have read in the news, I don't think he could be more wrong.

Fern R | October 12, 2006 06:31 PM

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