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October 03, 2006

Scionology

There's going to be a meeting of descendents of King David on October 19th in NYC at the inaugural of the Davidic Dynasty organization. And, then, a mass meeting is planned for May 2007 in Jerusalem.

Speaking of which, about ten years ago, I learned from my father, who had been in touch with the association of extended cousins with the same last name (in variant spellings), that our family was – reputedly – descended from the Baal Shem Tov. I had no idea if this was correct, I hadn't researched it myself, but I thought it was exciting at the time. The Baal Shem Tov is, after all, the founder of Hasidism and a very important mystic in Jewish history. And at the time I was researching a Ph.D. in early Jewish mysticism.

And, gee, at least there was someone back there of whom I had heard. Before then, it had been a huge black hole of genealogy that ceased a very few generations back.

Sometime later, I mentioned this to a friend.

"My family is reputed to be descended from the Ba'al Shem Tov, " I said.

"Who? That peasant," he replied, eyes twinkling. He was from a litvisch family himself - from an anti-mystical branch of Lithuanian Judaism and also - as it turns out - he had real ichus - his family was descended from the Davidic line.

"Better than no one," I muttered and promptly shut up about it.

But – heh! – now it turns out the Ba'al Shem Tov is descended from the Davidic line as well!

Other illustrious Jewish figures down the centuries who traced their ancestry back to David include Hillel, Rabban Gamliel, Rabbi Yehuda Hanasi, Yochanan Hasandler and Yosef Karo. More contemporary leaders include the Baal Shem Tov, Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, the Lubavitcher Rebbe and former president Chaim Herzog.
Take that Phillip S!

Here is the site that is associated with the meetings, but it doesn't list information for the October meeting, just for May. Or if it does, I haven't found it yet. Or maybe all the invitations have already gone out and the meeting is closed now.

And it gives information about who to contact for blood tests, to see if your geneology matches.

Meanwhile, I haven't found my last name on the list - despite that family tradition. Grr Argh!

Of course - keep hope alive - it's an incomplete list!

I'll just have to make a male relative do the blood test thing!

Alcibiades | 10/03/06 at 02:41 PM | Categories: Doing Jewish

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However, almost everyone alive is descended from someone famous. And since Jews mostly married in until a few decades ago, a lot of us Ashkenazi would be descended from the Baal Shem Tov.

Judith | October 3, 2006 04:06 PM

So? I'm a descendant of the ReMah, the TaZ, the BaCh, and Moses' brother Aaron, as well as Levi, Jacob, Issac, Abraham, Terach, ..., all the way up to Adam. Someone told me that yichus is like a zero, the greater one's yichus, the more zeroes. If you can put a one in front of those zeroes, then that's great, but if you can't then you just have a bunch of zeroes.

Reb Chaim HaQoton | October 3, 2006 04:12 PM

Well of course. But, if you have an interest in history, it is fun to find out which famous person in particular.


Alcibiades | October 3, 2006 04:26 PM

That's true. I used have a huge website for my family's genealogy, but then people started telling me that genealogy is just a waste of time, and I've really had much time, so I stopped. I'm also a descendant of the Noam Elimelech (how could I have forgotten to mention that?)

Reb Chaim HaQoton | October 3, 2006 04:45 PM

I am decended from long lines of horse theives, con men, bunko artists, smugglers and bookies. I am extraordinarily skeptical about claims of ancestry by other Jews. Too many times, Jews have been refugees, lost everything, contracted irregular marriages, and have generally had to improvise just to stay alive. Besides, I find the whole notion theologically repellant.

Robert Schwartz | October 3, 2006 10:25 PM

Actually, everyone is invited to the Inaugural Dinner of the Davidic Dynasty which will be held on Thursday evening October 19th from 6-10pm at the Museum of Jewish Heritage, 36 Battery Place, Battery Park City, New York. Honorees (who are descendants of King David) are N.Y. District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, Jr., Grand Rabbi Shalom Twersky and Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis. Covert is $275 per person. For more information call 777-DAVID-07

Yoni | October 3, 2006 10:37 PM

Karen Singer Avrech read the same story.

Judith | October 4, 2006 12:31 AM

You left out cossacks from your list, Robert, of why genealogy is such an unsure science in Ashkenazi life.

But there are certain families who kept extraordinary care to guard this information down through the ages. People descended from the exilarch's for one. I had a friend who wrote his dissertation on the exilarchs and heard a bit about the record keeping from him. And years ago, I visited the family home of a friend of mine for Shabbat, one of the Twerski's, and she pointed out her father's vast tomes of genealogy, interspersed amidst the Talmuds and the commentaries. I think that was the first time I ever heard that some families could trace their lines all the way back. There has been a lot of work done on that over the years by some. Particularly, I suppose, in the orthodox branches of Judaism where there is belief in a davidic messiah.

I'm not sure why, though, you consider it theologically repugnant?

In a classical sense, it surely isn't. If you use it for a sense of self worth, to puff yourself up, I can see your point. But as a way to connect to history? It seems fine to me.

Alcibiades | October 4, 2006 11:05 AM

Thanks for the information, Yoni.

You don't suppose I could go as a Pajamas Media representative and blog about it, do you?

That would be fun.

Alcibiades | October 4, 2006 11:07 AM

I'm descended from a long line someone gave to my great-grandmother. My ancestors did appear before the royal courts of Europe. Unfortunately most of them were convicted.

Actually, our family on my father's sideboasts a unique distinction: we are the only Jews from Vilna who do not claim to be descended from the Vilna Ga'on.

Alex Bensky | October 7, 2006 08:47 PM

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