Well clearly you're not liberals in Benjamin Kerstein's sense, as by definition you'd all be anti-Semites. And "self-hating Jews" are the ones who disagree with you: is that not right?

But yes, using the duck test (if it walks/quacks etc like a duck...) you guys are neocons, and it had never occurred to me that you were anythng else. Only in America could even a comedian describe the KT world view as "liberal".

If you add the word "classically" in there it might help, but it might be too verbose as well.

they see themselves as more conservative than liberal, or even libertarian.

Not me. I see myself as a neocon; haven't been a liberal for over 20 years.

Rob says: Only in America could even a comedian describe the KT world view as "liberal"

Hey Rob! Agreement at last. But I think it is confusing for strangers who actually read the subheading which says *liberal* hawk and assume it's there for a reason. ::grin::

I'm glad that Judith is addressing this again - perhaps to be followed by an actual deletion of the word "liberal" from the subheading? or the addition of classic before "liberal" - when I read the John Derbyshire reaction earlier I was going to point it out to Judith as more motivation to change.

"Well clearly you're not liberals in Benjamin Kerstein's sense"

Yes, well that's kind of the point of the post.

"Only in America could even a comedian describe the KT world view as "liberal"."

At this point no comedians would describe our worldview as liberal, which is also the point of the post. "Liberal" just doesn't mean what it used to. :-(

I remember a book 'Liberal Papers' maybe 40 years ago. I don't remember the programs that were advocated, perjury you know. What 'liberal' meant back then, and what it sees itself doing now I suppose, is being inclusive. One wonders, of course, if Scooter is feeling the love. So ideas such as civil rights then were about including the Negro, not having him being an other, an outsider. Same with health care ideas. My German Catholic bishops are being 'liberal.' They see the Palestinians as, in their mind's eye (Heh, if you see it as a pig's eye, again not feeling the love), they would see the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto.

"Liberal" just doesn't mean what it used to. :-(

But liberal hasn't meant that since blogging began. <g>

True. Okay okay.....

As a liberal "hawk" (or at least an unqualified Zionist and Wilsonian), I'd have to say that your fidelity to the principles of John Locke and Adam Smith notwithstanding, calling this blog liberal is highly misleading.

But we favor legal abortion and gay marriage and other alternate lifestyles and severe separation of religion and state! Well, some of us do. I know "conservative" doesn't fit me or Van or Asher.

Ideas anyone?

hawkish - no adjective.