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April 04, 2007
The Special Forces Fetish
My email list (which should probably be renamed the Ex-Liberal Hawks) is having a discussion spurred by this article.
A few weeks ago, I saw an article - I think it was in National Review but I'm not positive - about the Democrats' obsession with "special forces" as a cure-all and alternative to regular military operations. I'd like to refer to it in an upcoming post but I can't track it down.
Anybody remember this?
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Brazilian Neocon:
So, can anybody explain this to me: why do they prefer shadowy, clandestine operations done by special forces, operations that by definition navigate the grey area between legal and illegal, over regular, open military action conducted by the military?
Does it have anything to do with their fondness for dictatorships and oppressive regimes - which use such paramilitary ops way more frequently?
I would be interested in this article mentioned by Asher as well - if anyone can find it!
Expecting the Left to deal with military/strategy issues is like hiring Bjork to do your taxes. Many on the left are intelligent and talented people, but this issue is just not part of their skillset. They have no talent for it, they have no interest in it and if they're stuck with the job they'll make a mess of it.
They can't argue reasonably about the issue, you can't tell them about SEAL's and HALO divers because if you do their eyes will glaze over and they'll start to fidget. They really, really don't care. They just want the whole problem to magically go away.
Brazilian Neocon:
I would think it has to do with not liking the military and out of sight, out of mind. Because you'll notice when they do become aware of these kinds of ops they rue them as well. Which is plain in the current reaction to this story from the left (see comments below the story).
Jim:
Yes, that, and also it's more consistent with their fantasy of a really clean surgical mission that doesn't involve, you know, nasty stuff like collateral damage, civilian deaths--the stuff that is really inevitable if we were actually to [gasp] try to prevail in a war. As opposed to making a symbolic show of it, Carter-Clinton style, and then bailing out before it gets too ugly.
This is not to say anything against special forces, but they are just one part of the arsenal, not the end of the story.
Bob:
Immediately after 9/11, Bush was told by the Central Command that a military response in Afghanistan would take at least seven months to mobilize. It was Rumsfield and the CIA that came up with the counter-proposal of going in almost immediate with Special Forces assisting the Northern Alliance. (Rumsfield being keen on restructuring the Pentagon and building more mobile, integrated, and lightweight forces). It was the CIA plan that won out and had great early success.
The irony here is that Dems have claimed that the footprint in Iraq isn't big enough, which might be true. The military footprint in Iraq was a reflection of Rumsfield's predisposition.
What is interesting of course, is that every case is idiosyncratic and what works in one situation doesn't work in another. Also there are massive screw ups in all wars which open the door to "hindsight" demagoguery.
"Someone":
Actually, it was a reflection of Turkish betrayal (prodded by the French).
Judith: (Commenting afterwards as the omnicient omnipotent and omnipresent prime mover of this blog)
Turkey certainly kept a whole Division from participating in the initial Iraq invasion, but it is also true that Rumsfeld wanted to transform the US military into what Bob described. And succeeded to some extent, if you look at how our military actually operates in Iraq. There is still a lot of bureaucratic bullshit but much more "mobile, integrated, and lightweight" than the old stereotype of the Army.
UPDATE: A new member says:
Maybe it a "see, Democrats are macho just like JFK was." Also, most of them are clueless as to the level of skill and professionalism in the military these days. You can't just order another dozen at the supermarket.
A lot of Dems also are trying to do things on the cheap: Increase special operations forces without increasing the military numbers overall. The men who go into special operations are generally really good soldiers/sailors/airmen/Marines. You can't pull too many of that type out of a conventional unit without decreasing its effectiveness, a point that was made in the Standard article. Also, no more than a small minority of indivuals are going to be both motivated and otherwise suitable.
So, in order to keep your conventional forces at top effectiveness, plus have enough specwar types to draw from, you would have to increase the overall force size. Then there's the general problem of procurement going for sexy big budget items and less for consumables and upkeep. Keeping shooters good at what they do takes a heck of a lot of training time and ammunition.
TAANSTAAFL.
Judith | 04/04/07 at 06:19 PM | Categories: - Useful idiots
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I seemed to recall it was in the Weekly Standard, Judith, and so it was:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/330frnuq.asp
By the way, I am still occasionally bemused by the fact that at one time I would have consider the Weekly Standard right-wing tripe, only somewhat more acceptable than the National Review, and now I'm familiar with it enough to remember articles.
Of course, I used to recognize the National Review as unadulterated right-wing trash (except for the cultural stuff in the back, which I always liked) and now when I read it a lot of it makes sense. I draw the only possible conclusion:
the NR has changed a lot over the years.
Alex Bensky | April 5, 2007 06:50 PM
One of the biggest problems with Special Forces is that they depend upon getting 'the best of the best' from the Regular Forces and doing final training for Spec. Ops. You cannot double the size of Special Forces overnight... to do *that* you need to first double the size of the Regular Armed Forces for about 5-7 years so you can find 'the best of the best'. You could *pay more* to the existing SF folks and keep them around a bit longer, as they make more money working for Blackwater and other outfits than the US is willing to pay, but that does not double its size fast. Can't be done.
Take a look at something similar like Mountain Warfare which will tell you *why* we could not send in Regular Forces in large number to Afghanistan. That is the realm of Specialized Combat and even the Special Forces need retraining for Highland and Mountain Warfare. You cannot build that stamina overnight, and the only way to get it is to train hard for months at altitude. Then you have the entire equipment and supplies problem...
Here is the thing about Afghanistan: name the last large Army that had a fully successful campaign there. You get: Alexander the Great. The size of his forces? Around 10,000 soldiers. The Arabs and Persians can't do it, the Brits couldn't, the Soviets couldn't... you put large and unprepared forces into Highland and Mountain fighting and they get *killed* and harassed and demoralized like nothing else you have ever seen. The Waffen SS Alpenkorps was needed to protect regular German Army forces in the Balkans because of this. Highland and Mountain Warfare is small unit operations that can operate on their own without supply for weeks or longer.
I have a lot of problems with those folks who purport that there should be a shift of troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. That requires a basic year or so to retrain, re-equip and gain stamina at that altitude and learn all the survival skills necessary for it. But that requires understanding the basics, very basics, of military operations. As a geologist who had to do training at high altitudes for survey work, it is not *fun* nor easy. Altitude sickness is something I have not and do not want to experience. And a 70 degree temperature shift in the *summer* is nasty, even with all the lovely high tech fabrics and equipment of today.
ajacksonian
| April 6, 2007 09:28 PM
If anyone wants a good read about operating in Afghanistan, John Majors' get Bugles and a Tiger (get all of the volumes of his memoirs, but this one, the first, is mainly about Afghanistan.) Majors served on the Afghan frontier in the 30s as a British officer in an Indian Army Gurkha regiment, then Mesopotamia, and then in the jungles in Burma. He wound up with a DSO, then after the partition of India, came to the US where he was a successful novelist and screenwriter.
ontheleftcoast
| April 8, 2007 11:54 AM













