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August 26, 2007

"I am more educated then most Christians ..."

"I follow some of the tenants of Christianity." An educated, liberal writer expounds on the value of textual criticism.

You've got to be joking? First off the comic is basing it's entire relivance on a misquoted passage from the bible:

Thou Shall not suffer a witch to live (exodus 22:18)

originally read (in the Greek I believe)

Thou shall not suffer a poisoner {of wells} to live

A bit different wouldn't you say? The reason it was changed (or one of the many reasons) was due to the view of poisoners in the medieval period. The passage changed during the many translations of the canon of the bible commonly accepted today. From 200 AD to present day there exists numerous different translations. According to Misquoting Jesus, there are approximately 300,000 textual errors in the bible today ...

I would have a lot more respect for Christianity as a whole if it's followers were an educated lot. I have taken Theology, history etc - Have you? I have made the early years of the Christians a priority in my studies (University level). I have looked into the translators and translations of the bible. I have a good understanding of what was cut out of the bible any why, and why things were altered inthe Bible in its early conception. I have looked at textual criticism (Do you even have an understanding of that field of study?)

I am more educated then most Christians will ever hope to be. I follow some of the tenants of Christianity, but not in any way shape or form the Church. And not those who have no idea about who they are and where they came from. If you can't tell me your religions early roots, and wwhat changes where made, then really how can you profess yourself a follower or said religion? You have no idea. That's not faith, it's stupidity. ...

One the comic: This was offensive and beyond that false. The person who wrote it should be sued for liable! I am a eclectic Pagan Christian and make no appologies for my faith. I am close friends with people of all faiths from Hindu to Muslim to Jew and Christian as well as witches or Pagans of multiple varieties (the Norse I know would take offence at being labled as witches, some Wiccan's would as well)... If the writers beef is about Satanism, them make that clear, if not then for once in your life educate yourself before making yourself into a fool!

Asher Abrams | 08/26/07 at 11:34 AM | Categories:

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Where to start? I understand that you are trying to make a jab at the arrogance of the write. And the person is both arrogant and wrong ( Greek wasn't the original language of the book of Exodus for one thing). but when you label yourself, "eclectic Pagan Christian" there is a certain contradiction of terms in that, and although you can call yourself anything you want, and make points about what people think about the linguistic definition of the term witch, rather than the actual one, there is a matter of reality that is at issue in this whole post.

While I wish you well on your spiritual journey, there is something specific indicated in "Christian" as a label and "Christianity" as a set of beliefs and lifestyle. It becomes meaningless when interchanged with anything someone personally wants it to be.

but, yeah, basically I agree with you on this: we should try to think before we speak(write).

ilona | August 26, 2007 02:06 PM

The educated liberal writer thinks that Exodus was originally written in Greek? Some education. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is a decent translation of the original Hebrew.

Shmendrik | August 26, 2007 03:05 PM

"I am more educated then most Christians will ever hope to be."

This Christian would have written THAN instead of THEN. Do I get smart points for that?

Jonn Lilyea | August 26, 2007 07:45 PM

Yes, well, I can't speak to his deep study of religion, but apparently it didn't go far enough as he seems to think Exodus in the original is Gree, whereas of course it's Hebrew.

Alex Bensky | August 26, 2007 08:30 PM

I hope this post provides some added value to some of the above comments.

The source quote in Exodus uses the word /MKeShePhaH/, which the King James Version translates "witch" and the New International Version better translates "sorceress".

Hebrew, like Arabic, is based upon a consonantal root. In this word, the root is /KShPh/ (sorry, I don't know how to put in Hebrew characters: caph/shin/pe), which means "to pray to" or "to worship". It is then modified with an intenstive, changing the meaning to "to invoke" or "to call upon to do one's bidding". In the Bible, it is only used in reference to false gods.

The word is modified with the "person who" prefix /M/ (like the well-known in /jihad/ --> /Mujihadeenn/ (/een/ being the plural), and the /+feminine/ suffix /aH/, to produce the word /MKeShePhaH/, meaning "sorceress": a female person who invokes false gods to do her bidding.

But back to "cairde_luis", the nom-de-web of "Kin Rowan". She now is in the somewhat enviable position of being able to demonstrate whether or not she is, as she claims, "educated". An educated person will say something like, "Oh, my. Yeah, I made a mistake. Of course that should've been 'in Hebrew' instead of 'in Greek'. And I was just plain wrong about that 'poisoner' bit: I must've read it somewhere and just trusted the guy who wrote it: sure got the wool pulled over my eyes."

Unfortunately, there is a very strong self-delusion possibility. This would think, "Well, I know that the word means 'poisoner (of wells)', so anyone who claims otherwise is just a liar and I don't need to pay attention to such absurdities."

Time will tell which is more like Ms. Rowan at present.

colorless.blue.ideas | August 27, 2007 03:01 AM

"I follow some of the tenants of Christianity."

Speaking of smart points, I wonder how much rent the "tenants of Christianity" are paying, and whether one would be a stalker if one followed them too closely.

ontheleftcoast [TypeKey Profile Page] | August 28, 2007 11:21 AM

I did a little Goodling, and while I can't find the original source for this idea, it seems to have been popularised by the SF writer Robert Heinlein....very popular amonst Neo-Pagans.

Atlantic | August 30, 2007 03:22 PM

I think I've found the source from whence this confusion probably comes...the Septuagint version has the word as "pharmakos", who indeed dealt in poisons.

There's a fascinating, rather well-informed article at

http://www.draknet.com/proteus/Suffer.htm

Atlantic | August 30, 2007 03:40 PM

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